Monday, March 22, 2010

Clark County Fire Department Out Of Control


As a former volunteer firefighter, it pains me to say this, but the Clark County Fire Department is out of control.
The CCFD primary mission is firefighting and ambulance service. The ambulance service responds to all 911ambulance calls along with a private ambulance. The private transports almost all of the 911 patients.
The fire suppression service consists of 42 stations with about 17 rural or non-Las Vegas Valley fire stations.
About 90% of the calls are for medical problems. In 2008, there were only 3515 fire incidents. http://fire.co.clark.nv.us/(S(2y1oeynkijmwfn45kswgrjbu))/Facts.aspx
This represents about 9 fire incidents a day and a fire incident may include a car fire or building fire or grass fire. 9 calls a day, divided by 29 paid fire stations is not a lot of fires. Then you add 3 shifts and you can see the average firefighter does not respond to very many fires a year. Hell, an average volunteer fire department in the Midwest responds to more fire calls than most firefighters do in Clark County and I am sure that is true throughout the country. When I was a volunteer fireman in Dunseith ND, I responded to more than 200 fires in 1 year, including up to 15 or more in 1 day during grass fire season.
Clearly, the average CCFD firefighter on an engine or truck is not overworked.
But yet, most firefighters make over $100,000 a year, with some battalion chiefs making over $300,000 or more. They use more sick leave than the average Clark County employee. There are charges that certain firefighters rig the system so they exchange sick days off and work the other person's days at time and a half. If true, these firefighters should be criminally charged for theft or misconduct in public office.
As far as ambulance calls, the paramedics are glorified first responders. With few exceptions, they do not transport the patient, instead leaving that for AMR and Medic West. I happened to witness a scene when a person was shot. The CCFD medic unit responded first and the medics wandered over to the car and did nothing until the Medic West ambulance arrived. The Medic West did a scoop and go. The man later died. The CCFD didn't do anything and Medic West did all the work.
So, what to do with fire department? It used to be, since 9-11 when 350+ firefighters died in the World Trade Center. firefighters were heroes but the firefighters, especially the unions took advantage of this. They got great pay packages and benefits. Great for them. But now, the economy sucks, especially in Clark County.
These are my suggestions. They need to cut down significantly on overtime. That's a no brainer. In education, they have substitute teachers and in the CCFD, there is no reason why they can't do the same. You can hire about 20 firefighters who are paid on call. If they work, they get paid and if they don't work, they don't get paid. They would be trained by CCFD and meet certain standards, like Firefighter 2 with additional training. They could also call on the volunteers who work in the rural stations. If a firefighter goes on vacation or calls in sick, a paid on call firefighter replaces them. Same with paramedics. There are many paramedics in the Valley who would be able and willing to fill in for CCFD paramedics if they call in. This eliminate time and a half for the full time firefighters.
If a Battalion Chief calls in, then they get a officer from field and replace the officer with a firefighter from the station and then the firefighter is replaced by a paid on call firefighter.
If implemented, this will reduce overtime significantly and reduce the costs of the CCFD.
Remember, the average CCFD firefighter doesn't respond to that many fires or car accidents or other non-medical emergencies. Most don't even respond to 1 or 2 non-medical calls a day. So, this plan could be easily be implemented.
But the CCFD is out of control now and it needs to face economic reality. They are not that busy to justify $100,000 a year salaries.

38 comments:

  1. Im a volunteer firefighter for Clark County Fire Department and i would like to say that this guy is moron his fact are off and information needs to be look at or over like why that get that much money

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  2. Tim, what station do you run out of?
    Do you feel you are a qualified firefighter? If so, would accept maybe $150 for a 24 hour shift to cover a shift for a firefighter on vacation or is is sick?
    And being that moron, what facts are not correct?

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  3. really pissed over the ugly remark you made to your kid Dan that you didnt buy him a train becuase "you never really love him that much"

    some things arent funny creep no matter who says it.
    have to skip over your program from now on.
    adious

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  4. Yeah, anon, have a good day.

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  5. Really, $150 for a 24hr shift? That amounts to $6.25/hr. Nevada minimum wage for 2010 is $7.55. So you are wanting a sworn public offical to make less than minimum wage? Or maybe same as minimum wage? Lets get real, we put trust into firefighters to come into our homes and deal with those in our community. If that trust is not worth more than minimum wage to you then sir you are way off...

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  6. I just threw out the wage, but I will settle for minimum wage.
    And considering a lot of that time is spent not working, probably about 16 hours, unless there is a run, that is a good wage. And I am sure many paid on call firefighters would love to have the opportunity.

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  7. I was thinking about the negative and misleading ad being run by the Fire Departments and decided to view it from a logical standpoint as opposed to an emotional (angry) standpoint.

    Since we do the same job, with the same training, same protocols, and the same oversight from the Medical Advisory Board, I decided to focus on some of our differences:

    Technology

    1. It was a private EMS agency that first instituted continuous Capnography for all intubated and sedated patients (Medicwest)
    2. It was a private EMS agency that first instituted biphasic defibrillator (Medicwest)
    3. It was the private EMS agencies that switched to disposable intubation blades instead of cleaning their used blades (Medicwest & AMR)

    Training

    1. It was the private EMS agencies that upgraded their LEVEL OF TRAINING to include Critical Care Paramedics with an expanded scope of practice (Medicwest & AMR)
    2. It IS the private EMS agency that instructs at all levels, from Basic to Paramedic & CCT-P (Medicwest & AMR)
    3. It IS the private EMS providers that expand their level of training, expand their knowledge and become the instructors for all of the future EMTs and Paramedics

    Most importantly – it IS the private EMS agencies that are there, every day of the week, 24 hours a day to care for the sick and the injured. It is US – the private service EMTs and Paramedics that treat & TRANSPORT the people who live, work, and visit Las Vegas.

    We do our job because we want to, not simply for the pay and benefits. We are not taxpayer supported and there is NO CHARGE for our service unless it is used.

    Most importantly, we have a single and well defined task – to treat and transport and we identify ourselves as EMTs/Paramedics FIRST, not as an afterthought.

    Rob Weiss NREMT-Paramedic, Critical Care Paramedic
    EMS/CPR/PHTLS/AMLS/ITLS/PALS/ACLS Instructor

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  8. Excellent post, Rob. I would love to become an EMT or paramedic but probably am too old. And yes, MedicWest and AMR do a lot for Vegas residents and they bring forth new innovations and it doesn't cost anything more.

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  9. wow Dan, I'm really impressed with all the ways you plan on fixing a large metropolitan fire department with replacing paid professionals with the run of the mill Ricky Rescue Hillbilly who always wanted to be a firefighter but just couldn't hack it. Seeing that it is a "volunteer" department now anyone and everyone who applies is automatically accepted. What exactly makes you a qualified professional to know the insides and outs of a normal everyday emergency services department? Tell me that Dan. Are you one of the guys that couldn't hack it? Are you looking to be one of those volunteer firefighters?

    P.S. check your facts also. you've quoted and gave response numbers fot just one service the fire department does. Lift assist, public service calls, vehicle accidents, elevator calls, fire alarms, business inspections, school drills, hydrants, training, etc... The fire department provides a service that surpasses what any private agency does.

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  10. Dan, I highly doubt you will come out and reveal any information about who you really are or what makes you so special.

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  11. Let's see, you want me t come out (if you look at the clues, you should be able to figure it out)
    But of course, you want me to come out and you write as Anonymous. Get real dude.
    And no, I am not someone special but I know a lot about the basics of fire service.

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  12. To the other anonymous posted at 7:04, if I wanted to be a professional firefighter, I would have become one. I have and had the requirements to do the job.
    But it doesn't take a lot of brains to figure out that CCFD firefighters are scamming the system regarding overtime.
    Too bad you don't have the professionalism when you critize fellow firefighters. Fact is volunteers now days in Clark County are trained fairly well because they are trained by members of the CCFD. If you have a problem with their training, talk to the head of the CCFD rural fire departments and I am sure they will listen to you.
    Fact is that most CCFD firefighters are underworked, especially those in outlying areas like the far southwest side of the Valley. They're lucky to get a car fire once a month. Fact is, some of the outlying stations could go to volunteer status because they just don't get the fire calls as semi-urban volunteer department.
    You say that the CCFD also does other services. Great. So what? Voluteers do the same. Don't give me this crap that the CCFD is overworked. they aren't.
    Fact is is that if there are sick firefighters in CCFD, they could easily brownout some stations without ramifications. And if they want, they can bring in sub firefighters to deal with the overtime. It will solve two problems. there will be less overtime and the stations will still be covered.

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  13. I saw your profile.... Not very impressive I must say. Only 2 and a half years in Las Vegas and you apparently feel you have some sort of entitlement to complain about the services you have available to you. Your worse that some douche from California who complains. What volunteer department did you work for? What certs did you have? What was the population of the town you served in? What was the tax base and budget for that fire department? How many members were there in that fire department? What services did they provide? How many calls did they run per year?

    You seem to have all the answers. What is your opinion about the private electricity corporation who consistently raises rates every year?
    What is your opinion about the school districts pay and structure? What about the 300 million dollars being wasted on a new city hall when the say the cant afford to pay their employees? World hunger, Aids, and your mom's fat ass??

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  14. Dan, You dont work for an ambulance company do you?

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  15. Dunseith ND??? Really bro? Population 733 compared to clark countys one million and average including tourist. Seeing how Dunseith ND doesnt seem like a real hotspot tourist attraction. You did mention though your vast expertise on grass fires. How many many structure fires did you go on and how many times interior? How many extrications, alarms, medical calls, school drills, inspections, etc... Im not doubting you were an important asset to your small town of 733 but I can tell you from first hand experience that on my visits to your neck of the woods in Burke County ND Im really surprised how you could even compare a paid professional fire department to a redneck ran and staffed volunteer one. Apples to Oranges. Its like comparing FDNY or LAFD to Las Vegas FDs.

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  16. to erc, no, but have been an EMT for many years in a couple of states and not Dan Cody. If it is the Dan Cody I am thinking of, pretty much on the opposite sides of the political aisle, but he has a good blog.
    And to anon at 11:33, Dunseith had a large area, next to an Indian reservation and we had alot more house fires. Since part of are was tribal lands outside the reservation, we handled a lot of house fires. People were either drunk or tired of their house so they burned their house down. I've done interior firefighting, exterior, made rescues and saw people die. But it had a decent toursist are, not like Las Vegas but big enough.
    I have also studied fire science and a lot about fire departments.
    I am not here to say CCFD doesn't do a good job, most of the time, they do. My biggest complaint is the overtime racket they have. They pay way too much in overtime and it can be resolved brownouts or have sub firefighters or close down fire stations.
    I started out as a firefighter in 1979 and trust me it was a lot harder to be a firefighter then as it is now. You actually had danger in the job, not like now and especially in the Valley where most of the houses and buildings are new and have a stricter fire code then back in the olden days. I suggest you read Dennis Smith's books on firefighting to see what real firefighters had to go through.
    But anon, I am troubled about you lack of respect for volunteers. Many volunteers have as much training and experience as paid firefighters.
    I am not one of those calling for the firing of all firefighters and having an all volunteer dept. But what am calling for is a way to deal with the out of control overtime. Care to address that?

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  17. Thanks for your response on this. The OT issue is strictly 100% the county commissions decision. It's no fault of the fire chief, the fire union, or the fire fighters. When the chief wants to hire more individuals to cover vacant spots he has to request that money from the county commission. The county commission time and time again has turned him down and to paraphrase it, "do with what you have." Vacant spots are covered by OT. Private corporations, small business, and even government realize that if you can pay overtime to cover sick, vacation spots, or open vacancies then fill it with OT. Its cheaper to pay OT then hire, train, equip, pay, and give benefits to a new employee. Thats the fact, period. As far as your concern of abuse of sick leave, when a fire fighter calls in sick its for a 24 hour shift. When a secretary, maintenance man, janitor, etc. calls in sick it for 8 hours. a ff works a 56 hour work week ALL strait time. A regular county employee works a 40 hour work week. The newspaper reported fire fighters called in sick 3 times that of other county employees.
    8 hrs(regular county employee) X 3(times more) = 24hrs( 1 regular fire fighter's shift). Funny how the details were never explained by the newspaper or the elected officials. It seems more like your argument is more about a FF making over 100 thousand a year. VERY few individuals make the 200+ you speak of and I even agree thats obscene. But reality is it was and still is the decision of the elected officials. It's going to cost 20 million dollars for the county to save 10 million to eliminate OT. End result is the fire departments budget goes up and whos going to pay for it?

    If the department decided to brown out stations, layoff personnel, or turn out lying stations ( The highest property tax base in the county other then the strip) I assure you your property taxes will not go down.
    You will pay the same money for a lesser service.

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  18. My wife just told me some good stories about Dunseith. When she played volleyball and traveled to Dunseith she said during halftime the indian players would breast feed their babies on the bleachers. She said the reason the houses burned down was that the indians got sick of them and wanted something new so they lit them on fire and the government would rebuild it for them for free.

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  19. To anon at 7:42, i coached there and never saw the breat feeding but it is not out of the realm of possibilties.
    As far as the second part, that part is true. That is why we had such high run numbers, arson was huge.
    The saddest fire I was on was on an Easter Sunday. I happened to be the only firefighter responding to a fire call of a grass fire. When I got there, the fire overran a trailer house. We found out that a mother was drunk and passed out inside the home. Her daughter was out of the house but ran back to rescue her mom and both of them died. Very sad.

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  20. To anon at 7:13, before today, I probably would have disagreed with you about who has the responsibility about overtime. But after today's action by the CC commissioners and the budget, you are correct that it is the commissioners fault. I still say that overtime is a problem, but since the commissioners did not address it today, they are the one's at fault.

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  21. Rob-
    You are sooooo wrong. Your agency did not institute those things first. Before CCFD, maybe. Either way, I'll give you a badge, or gold star or cookies or something. If the cities/counties wanted to go into the interfacility transports, then they would train their people to be CCT. I worked for MedicWest dude, 5+ years and I know who you are too. I remember when I worked there that we all got along with fire. What has happened? Yeah, county was pretty much douchbags, but some were good. The other agencies were pretty cool. I was there when the phillips came about. You all need to get along with each other. This system has worked well for a long time because of that. Fire will always be there Rob, your agency is iffy. Don't make the bear angry, cuz chances are it'll kick your butt.

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  22. I don't have a dog in this fight because I don't live in Clark Co., however, I'm a retired FF from a Ca. FD that's about the same size as Clark Co. FD. The OT argument is also hot and heavy in Ca. One thing is clear to me; the general public does not understand the need for OT. I've read hundreds of replies from FF's trying to explain OT to the public and they still don't get it. And they're clueless about the FLSA requirement to pay time and a half. Filling open slots with volunteers would be a train wreck.

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  23. To anon, I still advocate using "volunteers" if they meet certain training and experience conditions. They would have to have on-going training and if they meet that, then I would let them work.
    I think that is more doable as compared to shutting down heavy rescue and the mobile air unit.

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  24. Right. So you think they're gonna hire a bunch of guys to go in there and work for nothing in a major metropolitan fire department? You fool. People are unemployed and underpaid as it is. They're just going to waltz in off the street and do the same job that otherwise requires testing, interviewing, and medical and psychological screening? Are you going to trust these philanthropic do-gooders to come into your home? And what about the COST to train these people to the same standards and experience as the regular paid firemen - and you're talking about on-going training? What about the cost to outfit these additional people with uniforms and equipment? Ever consider the turnover rate? You'll be robbing Peter to pay Paul, and inviting disaster in the process!!
    Firefighters earn every penny the hard way - by trading hours for dollars. On average they earn less than $20 an hour for straight pay. You try working 60-90 hours a week away from your family and see how long you last without being fairly compensated. And by fairly compensated I mean you get your time and a half as required by law. Nobody's getting tips or kickbacks out there for being lazy.

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  25. Geez, anon, too bad you have not read what I have wrote.
    Let's talk aboutr paramedics. You can't honestly say that a paramedic from AMR or Medic West could not come in after training and work on a CCFD ambulance?
    And to trust the "do gooders" yeah, I'd trust them.
    To train them as a regular firefighter? What is the minmum training level of a CCFD firefighter? Firefighter 2? Well, that is what I am proposing with additional training.
    Too bad you have such a poor opinion of volunteer/paid on call firefighters. And please, unless you are specially trained to work on a speciality unit such as haz mat, heavy rescue, confined trench rescue, you are not that special of a firefighter.
    Do firefighters earn every penny they get? Not if the average pay is $180,000 a year. Some make more some make less. And if someone is working 60-90 hours a week, that is not a good thing and it makes my point. Having a firefighter work that many hours is dangerous for themselves and the people they work with. That is a diaster waiting to happen.

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  26. I am appalled at the state of the Clark County Fire Dept in Vegas and Henderson. I am not talking about the employees, but the community. I am a Chicago girl who has traveled all over this country and I have NEVER seen a Fire Dept treated like this. The Las Vegas valley is in financial crisis and everyone is pointing fingers at government paid workers for taking too much money or using the money wrongly. Police, Fire, and even teachers are being blasted and it's not fair. I know that, even if there were a few bad eggs, the fire fighters employed by our county and cities are hard working and courageous. Shame on Clark County for treating heroes the way they have.

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  27. Apaprently, Chicago girl, you have not been reading the papers here in Vegas. About 1/3 of the firefighters on the CCFD have been abusing sick time over the course of many, many years and now they just got caught. Also, they were slapped down in arbritation because of their behavior. When it was time for some unions to help out with budget shortfalls, the CCFD not only did not help, they wanted even more money.
    Now, the same is apparently not true with the NLV, LVFD and Henderson fire departments.
    But then when you have firefighters averaging more than $100,000 in salary alone, then yes, they need to slapped down to reality.

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  28. Great post Dan.

    Having been a paid ff/pm in a past life of mine, I have been in the belly of the beast and know all to well the reality that is the fire department politics. Even back in 2005 when I had reached the all too coveted (in ff's mind only) ff/pm position, I quickly learned what a scam and a best kept secret the job really was.

    Even before the housing, banking, and wall street bubble exploded,I can tell you that I saw it from years away. The bubble that has been created by afl/cio et al union thugs was shocking.

    I can honestly say that I left the job (went back to being a box medic and back to earning my BS degree) because I knew that the lifestyle was too good to be true. I know that it wouldn't last long. I had no idea many guys would see my decision to leave such a lucrative position would take it so personal

    "What do you mean you left? Guys would give their right nut to be where you were", have been some of the responses I have heard. The acquaintances through the fire service took it so personal. Their responses were as if I had rejected THEM as a person or who they are, a "firefighter".

    That being said, I know for a fact that something like the "OT/scheduling/vacation time" fiasco that is going on in CCF happens everywhere else also. It is seen as a no big deal type of thing. "Everyone is doing it, and we're entitled to the sick pay anyways". I have seen it all, senior guys explaining to the junior guys how to work out the scheduling to maximize the paycheck... without the bat of an eye or a second to think that some people my see it as fraud. The practice has become a norm, thus no longer seen as a wrong.

    It's a bubble.

    P.S.- I look back in embarrassment now when I think about what I did for the local, ignorantly, while I was a probie, ie; came out on my off day and went around town putting up signs endorsing Phil Angelides (D).... *palm to the forehead*

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  29. Gee, Paul, how much money have you stolen from the taxpayers via overtime?
    Let's look at the facts. Stations like on Judson, Hollywood Blvd., Mountains Edge and Sahara and the 215 could actually run a volunteer station. They just don't get the non-ambulance calls to justify a paid station. Further, you could easily close down 1 station on the far east side of the Valley- Judson or Hollywood because you have a LVFD station close by.
    Don't forget there are volunteer fire and ambulance companies in the City of New York- so, it's not unheard of.

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  30. My God Dan, Do you even read what you write? First off, in 2009 I logged 4000 hours in the year - hardly stealing. (and no, I didn't do anything to "Arrange" to work.

    The Station on Judson is actually one of our busiest, again, your all talk and no facts. As to the slow stations, they are the nature of the beast. The slow stations are the farthest out and shutting them would send response times through the roof. For less populace areas, volunteers do work and the CCFD has many all Volunteer Stations in areas like that but no department (especially the FDNY) has volunteers handling the more populated areas.

    I'm sure your version of "close by" varies based on your or your families homes as opposed to everyone else in the Valley.

    At the end of the day, I'll put my earnings vs productivity up against yours any day. I know I have EARNED everything I have.

    Paul

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  31. Umm, Paul, there are actually 9 volunteer fire departments in New York City. ?not the rural areas of New York City (as if there are any) but in the urban areas like in the Bronx.
    Pasadena TX. has an volunteer Dept. and it has a population of 150,000 and a day time population of 1 million. It is a Houston suburb.
    Right, Judson is busy. Show me the numbers of fire calls and accidents. I do happen to monitor the alarm office and I rarely find any fire calls in the area. A few fires, accidents and more medical calls.
    As far as productivity, you are comparing apples to oranges, so I won't even go there. But I will put up my over 300 fire calls in 1 year against most of CCFD stations any time.

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  32. Civil authority has lost control of fire services. Mayors, voters, get active and restore order. The fox won't leave the henhouse without a fight.

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  33. He is just angry they wouldn't hire him. End of story.

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  34. Laugh the volunteer departments in New York city area are small little beach towns backed up by FDNY professionals. These towns have a population of 4000 or less and don't perform EMS.

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  35. The best thing that can happen for ems in the county is to follow the city of las Vegas lead and not let AMR or medic west transport any critical care patients. In Spokane wa. Where AMR does all the transport AMR has a critical care survival rate of only 8 percent. Seattle fire has a survival rate of 40 percent. Since city of las Vegas started transporting most critical care patients their averages are over 30 percent.

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  36. I don't think comparing Seattle and Spokane is a fair comparison because Seattle is more compact, more urban and has a shorter response time while Spokane is more rural and spread out. It also depends on who are the first responders- for instance does a fire engine respond in Seattle and not in Spokane?
    What were the averages in Las Vegas before they started the transport?

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